Wednesday, May 21, 2014
Makin Money With/For/By God
With regards to the LDS church leaders, they are often made to the members to look as if they live modest lives for no financial gain as leaders of the church. This fits right along with the no paid clergy claim often tossed about in church meetings. Being unpaid definitely is true of the lower level leadership, but there have been many reasons found to believe higher up positions do come with compensation.
Before you read this, don’t think I’m a person who cares if they are paid. Of course they are. It only makes sense. Why shouldn’t they be paid. Any head of any corporation is well paid. What bothers me though is how they put on a show of modest living, and act as if they aren’t getting rich off the church. But are they really getting rich? We may never know for sure. Yet, I see things that make me wonder.
I’ve read things about them receiving some sort of stipend for living, paid for housing via special loans from the church, free education for their kids, medical, bodyguards, paid for cars, and of course travel. If any of this is true, none of it bothers me. Sure if you add it all up, it probably makes for a very comfortable living with little fear for providing for the future. If one could put a dollar amount on it, it’s probably quite high. But this all makes sense, and even still seems modest for the size of the corporation they run.
Where things may change a little is in their having positions on boards of many private companies, both owned by the church and privately all because of their being heads of the church. At my last job we had a board made up partly of local business owners as well, and they were all compensated for being on that board. I doubt these church leaders aren’t also compensated for this. But how many boards? Again, who knows. I've heard some work with a large bank board, and others have sat on insurance company boards. Even if the insurance company failed, it seems natural to assume they also sit on many other boards for the many private companies ran by the church. This could all add up to quite a bit of money, that isn’t normally even considered when trying to know if they make a lot of money as church leaders, but all is a direct result of being church leaders. Check out this video of them being introduced as members of the board for a large company that was owned by the church. I found it interesting to learn that a past bishop of mine worked for this company as well, made a very good living there, and went on to become a member of a stake presidency. It seems like the businesses and the higher callings might have some connection. Guess I shouldn’t have thought I’d ever be a bishop. Yes this is all crazy speculation. Go ahead and give me a tin foil hat and call me crazy.
Anyhow, back to the apostles. It’s hard enough to know about the church’s finances. But what of how the apostles make a living beyond the church’s providing for them. People often like to point out the modesty of one of their homes as a defense. But this job requires one to fill a role, which includes not flaunting your wealth, so that’s just what you do. It’s part of the job. Yesterday something new caught my attention. My wife was thumbing through the latest mail catalog from Deseret Book. In addition to wonderful books like the Not even once club (bleh), and stuff for my kids that says “I belong to the church…” almost every page had a book written by a member of the 15. It got me thinking. This could be quite a money maker. So I started looking for books listed as written by the leaders. I wanted books that while they may be about church content, were not part of the church curriculum. This would make them likely to be personal ventures for personal gain rather than church ventures. I found 118 books by the top 15. I’m guessing there’s more, and this doesn’t include many books I found they were listed in that were from “general authorities” and also the books written by their family members. Some of them have written a lot of books. No not all books are profitable, but if you’ve done 118 of them, and you have a loyal customer base that even tunes in to your mid conference infomercial for your books twice a year, you probably are making some very good money on this. Not to mention you probably have some pretty good sway with a certain bookstore and tv station to help sell your books. This could also just be the tip of the merchandising they may get in on. Of course, this is all speculation, but it kinda walks like a duck doesn’t it?
Again, I really don’t care if they make millions even. I just get bothered by how the members view them as modestly living, not paid, and even giving without getting. It’s a bogus image. It’s a mirage.
Tuesday, February 4, 2014
Hot news! Or is it? Have you heard? It can't be!
In case you haven’t heard, Thomas Monson, President of the
LDS church, has received a summons to appear in court to defend some of the
church’s claims in England. With the “big”
news of the day being a hot topic in the mirco world of unofficial Mormon
online forums and groups, watching some of the discussions in various forums
had me thinking.
I know many of us are a bit jaded even if in different ways. Jaded at feeling misled. Jaded at misinformed criticisms. Jaded that no efforts seem real or will ever
make a difference. Cautious about being
misled again. Being generally cynical
about things as a first response. And
tired of hoping for something that will crack through the church’s shell to
make a difference. But while this latest
lawsuit needs time to be verified, time to show if it has any affect, and no
one should be celebrating as if any victory has been has been had on either
side, the amount of condescending dismissals (not necessarily from a specific
forum, though certainly from some I’m in) gave me pause about the way we
discuss so many issues regarding the LDS church in forums.
Why are people so quick to dismiss and criticize the summons
on Monson in some forums? Will it go
anywhere? Probably not. However, the conversation from believers, to
middle way, to exmos, on many topics sounds so much like everyone would love
answers and accountability from the church, but no one believes it’s really
ever going to happen. Is this possibly
the one hope we all have in common? Maybe
people are right, maybe it is a waste of time or silly idea. But maybe, if we all want the same thing, we should be more
supportive of efforts to make it happen even if they seem like a long shot, or aren't in the favor of how we view the church. For each of these efforts, it really took
someone some guts. For each of these
ideas, even if they seem crazy to us, maybe we should pause and be cautiously supportive
as a first response. Maybe we shouldn’t
be so quick to dismiss peoples efforts. Seems
instead like so many conversations on forums sound like this:
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Why can’t we get straight answers and
accountability?
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You can’t expect men to be perfect, of course
mistakes were made.
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But good people still admit when they make mistakes,
apologize and attempt to make things right.
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I wish there was a way to make them be
accountable and honest.
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It’s silly to expect an apology, it will never
happen.
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All we get is poor apologetics and ignored.
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In light of what I’ve learned I see the lack of
answers doing nothing to clarify the criticisms so I’ll wait for clarity and
choose to believe because I still find spiritual value in it.
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In light of what I’ve learned I see the lack of
answers as further evidence that the criticisms are more likely correct. The silence is deafening to me and I choose
to no longer believe.
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Someone organized a mass resignation? That outta get their attention.
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Few people attended, it means little in the
scope of things. These angry exmos
didn’t make a difference.
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Delhin met with some important people, I can’t
wait to hear the results of his visit.
Maybe now they a finally starting to listen.
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Well they didn’t ex him or put him in
discipline…I suppose that’s progress.
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Did you hear about the General Authority who left…did
you hear about the temple president that left…did you hear about the institute
teacher who left? They must be freaking
out at the COB now!
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I still believe in something.
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Women are wearing pants. This’ll get their attention for sure, right?
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How will wearing pants change anything? Empty pews will do more to change things.
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Hey did you see FAIR finally wrote an article
that wasn’t complete BS? It was even
kinda nice to exmos. Does this mark a
change?
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Did someone just get called in by their
bishopric for being a part of ordain women?
When will they ever listen?
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Did you guys hear Uchtdorf say nice things about
people who leave in conference?
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Did you ignore the standard BS in the rest of
his talk?
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I heard they just purchased another 380k acres
of Florida for like $569 million? I wish
they’d be transparent. These guys are
making crazy money.
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You can’t prove it was from tithing.
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I wish someone could figure out a way to make
them be honest.
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Hey did you hear they’re releasing official
answers to some of the biggest questions causing people to leave? I can’t wait!
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Did they really just blame the whole thing on
Brigham and say look at how diverse we are?
Are the average members even aware of these articles?
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Looks like it’s more of the same.
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Hey here’s your October surprise Monson has been
summoned for lying in England!
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This is silly and will go nowhere.
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When will we get accountability?
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When will we get answers?
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When will they change?
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That’ll never work…
Personally I doubt this goes anywhere. The church has deep pockets. Individually the same could be said for many
attempts to get the church to answer and change. Such as women wearing pants to church,
Mormons in the gay pride parade, everyone writing letters resignation,
blogging, arguing with people who can’t do anything in forums, and so on. Many people have tried many things. Separately they all seem futile or crazy to
some. But even if this attempt is as
useful as spitting in the wind. I’m glad
they did it. I’m glad they all did
it. In every case, for every
reason. I’m glad for all the efforts
from everyone. Screw the people who say
you’re wasting your time. Even if you
are! Good on ya. And thanks.
To see what the hell I'm talking about visit mormonthink at this link. http://www.mormonthink.com/monson-summons.htm
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